Comments on: I don’t like Partylite Candle Company http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/ mental diuretic Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:30:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Cindy http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-118181 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:50:19 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-118181 It's amazing to me that you are willing to put so many people in one lump sum catagory. First of all attending a party like PartyLite is a choice, not an obligation. Secondly, many woman make a good living doing this in order to take care of their families. If you were say a police office, you could be accused of taking advantage of victims in order to take home a pay check. This was not a fair analogy of a sales person. No one said you had to buy, just like any store. You didn't attack a company, you attacked a person. A person trying to make a living. It’s amazing to me that you are willing to put so many people in one lump sum catagory. First of all attending a party like PartyLite is a choice, not an obligation. Secondly, many woman make a good living doing this in order to take care of their families. If you were say a police office, you could be accused of taking advantage of victims in order to take home a pay check. This was not a fair analogy of a sales person. No one said you had to buy, just like any store. You didn’t attack a company, you attacked a person. A person trying to make a living.

]]> by: Kris http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-117356 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:09:08 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-117356 How typical that the leeches that do this kind of thing for a living, get pissed when someone states what most people certainly feel about this type of sales and marketing. I have known people all my life that say things like "I've been avoiding so-and-so because she throwing a :insert product type here: party next week and I don't want to go." Or, "oh no, here comes so-and-so selling this or that again." People don't like this kind of thing. And no you can't compare the Avon lady banging on your front door or you neighbor who won't take no for an answer until you come to the party she's hosting to adverts in magazines or on television. I personally avoid anyone selling anything directly if possible. Let me explain why I feel this way. About a year ago my neighbor, with whom I was only mildly acquainted knocked on my door and invited me to her party. I smiled as pleasantly as I could manage and said, "maybe, if I'm off work in time." I of course had no intention of being home at 6 p.m. that night, work or no. The evening of the party I took my kids to the park after work in hopes of avoiding this "party" and at 6:30 I felt confident enough that the party was probably almost over and I could go home. Ten minutes after I arrived home she knocked on my door and to my horror my daughter answered it. The I got the oh, no there's still lots of time, come on!. At this point she literally grabbed me by the wrist and PULLED me out my own front door. Much to my discontent, I went to her party. I sat in her living room surrounded by a bunch of people I had never met and listened to some overexcited woman in too much markup drone on and on about how these were the most amazing products ever invented. After this, I was literally sat down at a table across from this consultant woman and asked directly "What are you buying?" I answer "nothing" and obviously everyone else around heard me and stopped talking and just looked at me. I've never felt so humiliated in my life. The consultant then cleared her throat and in a drastically icy tone informed me that my "friend" wasn't going to make some "goal" if I didn't buy something. And wasn't it a shame that she took all this time to plan this, spent all the money for refreshments not to get anything out of it? I wanted to say, I didn't tell her to spend a damn dime, but by this point I was too embarrassed to say much of anything. I ended up spending $50 on some crap I never needed or wanted just to try to end it all and get out of there. But oh, no, it doesn't end there. This consultant then launched in on me about hosting a party at my house, OR start selling this overpriced cheap crap myself. In fact she started hounding us all. How much money we can make, all the "free" goodies we can earn. On and on and on. Of course its never mentioned that for every person she recruits or ever party she works she gets more cash. This type of high pressure, get people in your house and don't let them out without them dishing out the cash is terrible business practice. I'm sure its lucrative but it shady and disgusting. How typical that the leeches that do this kind of thing for a living, get pissed when someone states what most people certainly feel about this type of sales and marketing. I have known people all my life that say things like “I’ve been avoiding so-and-so because she throwing a :insert product type here: party next week and I don’t want to go.” Or, “oh no, here comes so-and-so selling this or that again.” People don’t like this kind of thing. And no you can’t compare the Avon lady banging on your front door or you neighbor who won’t take no for an answer until you come to the party she’s hosting to adverts in magazines or on television. I personally avoid anyone selling anything directly if possible.
Let me explain why I feel this way. About a year ago my neighbor, with whom I was only mildly acquainted knocked on my door and invited me to her party. I smiled as pleasantly as I could manage and said, “maybe, if I’m off work in time.” I of course had no intention of being home at 6 p.m. that night, work or no.
The evening of the party I took my kids to the park after work in hopes of avoiding this “party” and at 6:30 I felt confident enough that the party was probably almost over and I could go home. Ten minutes after I arrived home she knocked on my door and to my horror my daughter answered it. The I got the oh, no there’s still lots of time, come on!. At this point she literally grabbed me by the wrist and PULLED me out my own front door. Much to my discontent, I went to her party. I sat in her living room surrounded by a bunch of people I had never met and listened to some overexcited woman in too much markup drone on and on about how these were the most amazing products ever invented. After this, I was literally sat down at a table across from this consultant woman and asked directly “What are you buying?” I answer “nothing” and obviously everyone else around heard me and stopped talking and just looked at me. I’ve never felt so humiliated in my life. The consultant then cleared her throat and in a drastically icy tone informed me that my “friend” wasn’t going to make some “goal” if I didn’t buy something. And wasn’t it a shame that she took all this time to plan this, spent all the money for refreshments not to get anything out of it? I wanted to say, I didn’t tell her to spend a damn dime, but by this point I was too embarrassed to say much of anything. I ended up spending $50 on some crap I never needed or wanted just to try to end it all and get out of there. But oh, no, it doesn’t end there. This consultant then launched in on me about hosting a party at my house, OR start selling this overpriced cheap crap myself. In fact she started hounding us all. How much money we can make, all the “free” goodies we can earn. On and on and on. Of course its never mentioned that for every person she recruits or ever party she works she gets more cash.
This type of high pressure, get people in your house and don’t let them out without them dishing out the cash is terrible business practice. I’m sure its lucrative but it shady and disgusting.

]]> by: Sharon http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-117196 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:55:56 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-117196 I have my own candle party plan company and I make my own beautiful environmentally friendly candles and sell giftware that is well below retail price. Products start at $9.00. People come to my parties because they can purchase a great gift and save money. sharon I have my own candle party plan company and I make my own beautiful environmentally friendly candles and sell giftware that is well below retail price. Products start at $9.00. People come to my parties because they can purchase a great gift and save money.

sharon

]]> by: Liberty http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-114776 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:39:09 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-114776 Hello, I was reading posts and wondered if anyone has heard of Scentsy? They sell candle warmers that melt cubes of wax instead of burning them. The scents are amazing! You can visit my website, ###URL REMOVED###EMAIL JUSTIN FOR ADVERTISING SHIT### for more information. -Liberty Hello,

I was reading posts and wondered if anyone has heard of Scentsy? They sell candle warmers that melt cubes of wax instead of burning them. The scents are amazing!

You can visit my website, ###URL REMOVED###EMAIL JUSTIN FOR ADVERTISING SHIT### for more information.

-Liberty

]]> by: Nicole Phelps http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-113534 Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:42:58 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-113534 I just started selling Partylite for 3 reasons (and these are REAL reasons): 1. I use them and pay full price time after time after time (10 yrs) GREATFULLY 2. I need a job that I REALLY can be in controll of as far as the schedule, level of interest, etc. because I have a full time job and family 3. PROVIDE customer service for people that depend on it KNOWING I WILL take CARE of them (in part because of this type of blog). My sponsor is amazing. She is readily available and provides all the training and information that I can handle. Actually, too much for me some times. This is a company that works to serve the public, because they LIKE the public! Quite frankly, these are the very best PILLARS, TEALIGHTS, and UNIQUE accessories that people who like decorating or candles are looking for and I, for one, am happy to stand behind it! My email: ##HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE BIGGEST BOSS YOU'VE SEEN THUS FAR: JUSTIN ### Please feel welcome to call me if you are having any concern or difficutly... and as always, I welcome anyone looking for information! I just started selling Partylite for 3 reasons (and these are REAL reasons): 1. I use them and pay full price time after time after time (10 yrs) GREATFULLY 2. I need a job that I REALLY can be in controll of as far as the schedule, level of interest, etc. because I have a full time job and family 3. PROVIDE customer service for people that depend on it KNOWING I WILL take CARE of them (in part because of this type of blog).

My sponsor is amazing. She is readily available and provides all the training and information that I can handle. Actually, too much for me some times. This is a company that works to serve the public, because they LIKE the public!

Quite frankly, these are the very best PILLARS, TEALIGHTS, and UNIQUE accessories that people who like decorating or candles are looking for and I, for one, am happy to stand behind it!

My email: ##HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE BIGGEST BOSS YOU’VE SEEN THUS FAR: JUSTIN ###

Please feel welcome to call me if you are having any concern or difficutly… and as always, I welcome anyone looking for information!

]]> by: Dee http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-110332 Wed, 07 May 2008 11:29:29 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-110332 i think that maybe you didnt burn your candles long enough, they clearly state a required burning time for you to benifit the best of the candle. i am a very very long time fan of partylite candles and i have only recently herd a few complaints of the candles not smelling, then to only find out that the person didnt burn the candle long enough for it to smell! if you burn it for 20 min, 40 min it will not smell right away, you literally need to burn it for the required amount of time it states for each type of candle.. then you will get the awsome smell that partylite is well known for!... i think that maybe you didnt burn your candles long enough, they clearly state a required burning time for you to benifit the best of the candle. i am a very very long time fan of partylite candles and i have only recently herd a few complaints of the candles not smelling, then to only find out that the person didnt burn the candle long enough for it to smell! if you burn it for 20 min, 40 min it will not smell right away, you literally need to burn it for the required amount of time it states for each type of candle.. then you will get the awsome smell that partylite is well known for!…

]]> by: Jon(SLC) http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-107064 Sat, 03 May 2008 18:39:06 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-107064 Husband of Karla, here. Justin, I generally agree with the sentiments you express in your original article. I don't have time to read all the comments, so I apologize if this has already been expressed. The simple fact is that there are 3 and even 4 types of people at those parties (not just PartiLyte (the misspelling annoys me so I hyperbolize it), but every direct selling multi-level marketing organization). 1. The consultant, a person who has signed an agreement with the organization they represent. 2. The host, not always present as consultants are often their own hosts -- a person who is interested in either the product(s) being sold or in the social opportunity that the party represents. (Keep in mind that not all hosts receive kickbacks in all programs. Some do it purely for the excuse to hold a party. Others do it becasue they truly like the product(s) or service(s) being presented.) 3. The guests who are thoroughly familiar with the format of the gathering (they are showing up to be sold something or to socialize, with the other option as a known additional component), and they do not object to it. Many people truly love the socialization and the opportunity to buy something they enjoy. I'm not really into candles, but I love to cook and I have enjoyed a couple of Pampered Chef parties as a guest. I really like their products, even though I dislike their business model. (Actually in the years since I last went to a P.C. show I've noticed that everything they sell is now available through retail options, and I no longer need the party format to get comparable products.) 4. The people, like yourself, who showed up "to be supportive" of the host, and may or may not purchase something out of guilt/obligation/whatever. If you notice there are no neutral parties listed here. The people who really couldn't care less don't generally show up. There are people actively interested in the outcome (consultant/rep and frequently the host), those interested in being there for legitimate reasons (the happy guests who will and do enjoy the event), and the downers (like myself in most of these situations, the people who don't want to be there and want to convince others that they don't want to be there either). Do you see what I'm expressing? Your perspective is not the only one. It is ABSOLUTELY a valid perspective, as I know from my own experience the feeling of wanting to support people but not the MLMs so many get involved with, but that doesn't automatically mean that every guest feels the same way. I was strongly opposed to my wife getting involved with Partilyte, but I agreed to let her host a show. As she mentioned the rep completely jacked up the experience, by giving the wrong day (but correct date; she listed Friday instead of Saturday), and the wrong address (off by a couple miles). Yet, after my wife reminded a few people of the event, ones I really didn't expect to show up (like my own extended family) did, and they were interested in buying even without the socialization and presentation. And then she (my wife) continued to talk with the people who were invited and ended up with over $400 in orders from people who, again, received neither the socialization nor the presentation. You've got to believe the shows are more successful with those key elements, or Partilyte wouldn't include them in their business model. Again, I understand your feeling, but your attitude of condemning the organization as a whole because you think that everyone on Earth has the same attitude is completely mistaken. Open your mind to the understanding of the personalities and interests of those around you and you'll find that you can communicate and function with everyone significantly better. Good luck! - Jon Husband of Karla, here.

Justin, I generally agree with the sentiments you express in your original article. I don’t have time to read all the comments, so I apologize if this has already been expressed.

The simple fact is that there are 3 and even 4 types of people at those parties (not just PartiLyte (the misspelling annoys me so I hyperbolize it), but every direct selling multi-level marketing organization).

1. The consultant, a person who has signed an agreement with the organization they represent.

2. The host, not always present as consultants are often their own hosts — a person who is interested in either the product(s) being sold or in the social opportunity that the party represents. (Keep in mind that not all hosts receive kickbacks in all programs. Some do it purely for the excuse to hold a party. Others do it becasue they truly like the product(s) or service(s) being presented.)

3. The guests who are thoroughly familiar with the format of the gathering (they are showing up to be sold something or to socialize, with the other option as a known additional component), and they do not object to it. Many people truly love the socialization and the opportunity to buy something they enjoy. I’m not really into candles, but I love to cook and I have enjoyed a couple of Pampered Chef parties as a guest. I really like their products, even though I dislike their business model. (Actually in the years since I last went to a P.C. show I’ve noticed that everything they sell is now available through retail options, and I no longer need the party format to get comparable products.)

4. The people, like yourself, who showed up “to be supportive” of the host, and may or may not purchase something out of guilt/obligation/whatever.

If you notice there are no neutral parties listed here. The people who really couldn’t care less don’t generally show up. There are people actively interested in the outcome (consultant/rep and frequently the host), those interested in being there for legitimate reasons (the happy guests who will and do enjoy the event), and the downers (like myself in most of these situations, the people who don’t want to be there and want to convince others that they don’t want to be there either).

Do you see what I’m expressing? Your perspective is not the only one. It is ABSOLUTELY a valid perspective, as I know from my own experience the feeling of wanting to support people but not the MLMs so many get involved with, but that doesn’t automatically mean that every guest feels the same way.

I was strongly opposed to my wife getting involved with Partilyte, but I agreed to let her host a show. As she mentioned the rep completely jacked up the experience, by giving the wrong day (but correct date; she listed Friday instead of Saturday), and the wrong address (off by a couple miles). Yet, after my wife reminded a few people of the event, ones I really didn’t expect to show up (like my own extended family) did, and they were interested in buying even without the socialization and presentation. And then she (my wife) continued to talk with the people who were invited and ended up with over $400 in orders from people who, again, received neither the socialization nor the presentation. You’ve got to believe the shows are more successful with those key elements, or Partilyte wouldn’t include them in their business model.

Again, I understand your feeling, but your attitude of condemning the organization as a whole because you think that everyone on Earth has the same attitude is completely mistaken. Open your mind to the understanding of the personalities and interests of those around you and you’ll find that you can communicate and function with everyone significantly better.

Good luck!

- Jon

]]> by: Karla(SLC) http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-106315 Fri, 02 May 2008 22:19:13 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-106315 I am not much of a blogger, nor do I make it a habit to post, but my husband is, and I think he would be proud of me if I did. My sister in law introduced me to PL, and at first I was very hesistant because I thought the products were over priced. She gave me the biggest candle they sell for Christmas, and I quickly gave it away because I have two small children, a tiny apartment and no where to burn it safely. But I liked the scent and I decided to join in on her smelling crusade. I just loved the scents(most of them) and I wanted to get some free products to try out. So I had a catalog party, got some free stuff, and I love all of it. I have given most of it away to family and friends because I want them to experience PL. I hosted my first show in my home about two weeks ago, and my consult had put the wrong day of the week and address on the invite, so of course only two people came because I reminded them of it the night before. I was pretty devastated by that, but I managed to have a show of over $400-yeah for me! Of course my husband was very critical of this consultant and wanted me to not sell PL and just pay full price for the products. There has been some confusion on how I can sign up under my sister in law who lives in KS, but overall I have had a wonderful experience, and I would like to be a consultant for PL, mostly to share the products to others..the socializing is great and maybe I will make a few bucks. My husband is a lot like you, Justin. He tends to be critical and logical, but he loves to learn and solve problems. Perhaps I will have him read what you said and have him comment. He owns his own photography business and he is studying marketing and business in school. He is an incredible person. He has a very easy to take personality test that you could take, and you would learn a lot about yourself from it. I know I did. Perhaps you could learn from each other... I would love to hear any advice from current PL consultants, since I am still deciding on whether or not to be a consultant. Thanks for letting me blab. ##EMAIL REMOVED## I am not much of a blogger, nor do I make it a habit to post, but my husband is, and I think he would be proud of me if I did.

My sister in law introduced me to PL, and at first I was very hesistant because I thought the products were over priced. She gave me the biggest candle they sell for Christmas, and I quickly gave it away because I have two small children, a tiny apartment and no where to burn it safely. But I liked the scent and I decided to join in on her smelling crusade. I just loved the scents(most of them) and I wanted to get some free products to try out.

So I had a catalog party, got some free stuff, and I love all of it. I have given most of it away to family and friends because I want them to experience PL.

I hosted my first show in my home about two weeks ago, and my consult had put the wrong day of the week and address on the invite, so of course only two people came because I reminded them of it the night before. I was pretty devastated by that, but I managed to have a show of over $400-yeah for me! Of course my husband was very critical of this consultant and wanted me to not sell PL and just pay full price for the products.

There has been some confusion on how I can sign up under my sister in law who lives in KS, but overall I have had a wonderful experience, and I would like to be a consultant for PL, mostly to share the products to others..the socializing is great and maybe I will make a few bucks.

My husband is a lot like you, Justin. He tends to be critical and logical, but he loves to learn and solve problems. Perhaps I will have him read what you said and have him comment. He owns his own photography business and he is studying marketing and business in school. He is an incredible person. He has a very easy to take personality test that you could take, and you would learn a lot about yourself from it. I know I did. Perhaps you could learn from each other…

I would love to hear any advice from current PL consultants, since I am still deciding on whether or not to be a consultant. Thanks for letting me blab.

##EMAIL REMOVED##

]]> by: Jeff http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-101443 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:00:27 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-101443 I can't believe all the people who are defending Partylite. I have a friend who sells it and it's almost like he's joined a cult. I have declined to go to any of their "parties", so they've finally stopped inviting me, thank god. I think one of the lamest aspects of this is how they call it a "Party" I go to parties to have fun and hang out with people, not buy crap. I can’t believe all the people who are defending Partylite. I have a friend who sells it and it’s almost like he’s joined a cult. I have declined to go to any of their “parties”, so they’ve finally stopped inviting me, thank god. I think one of the lamest aspects of this is how they call it a “Party” I go to parties to have fun and hang out with people, not buy crap.

]]> by: Annie http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-100231 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:23:20 +0000 http://www.justinshattuck.com/2007/02/21/i-dont-like-partylite-candle-company/#comment-100231 I found this site by lookin for Partylite candles to purchase online. I bought some at ebay and didn't know they were sold through "parites". I'd just like to add that the funniest thing about this whole discussion is the partylite consultants who act as though partylite is a religion. Someone even mentioned reading the book, The Secret. I often wonder how people become sheeple, now I know. I found this site by lookin for Partylite candles to purchase online. I bought some at ebay and didn’t know they were sold through “parites”.

I’d just like to add that the funniest thing about this whole discussion is the partylite consultants who act as though partylite is a religion. Someone even mentioned reading the book, The Secret. I often wonder how people become sheeple, now I know.

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